The Duchess of Cambridge carried out the first of two engagements today with a visit to the The Maurice Wohl Clinical Neuroscience Institute, at the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience, King’s College London.
It's a rainy day in London, Kate was given an umbrella upon arrival.
An arrival video from Kensington Palace.It's a rainy day in London, Kate was given an umbrella upon arrival.
The Duchess of Cambridge arrives at @KingsIoPPN, one of Europe's largest centres for neuroscience excellence, to learn more about the challenges and issues surrounding maternal mental health. pic.twitter.com/wFP4U3Hfan— Kensington Palace (@KensingtonRoyal) January 24, 2018
The Duchess has become increasingly interested in maternal mental health in recent months. I believe it will be a key area of focus for her in addition to supporting children as the Heads Together campaign progresses.
Whilst doing research for the post, I stumbled upon this article from the World Health Organisation. Needless to say, the statistics make for shocking reading.
'Worldwide about 10% of pregnant women and 13% of women who have just given birth experience a mental disorder, primarily depression. In developing countries this is even higher, i.e. 15.6% during pregnancy and 19.8% after child birth. In severe cases mothers’ suffering might be so severe that they may even commit suicide. In addition, the affected mothers cannot function properly. As a result, the children’s growth and development may be negatively affected as well. Maternal mental disorders are treatable. Effective interventions can be delivered even by well-trained non-specialist health providers.
Globally maternal mental health problems are considered as a major public health challenge. Virtually all women can develop mental disorders during pregnancy and in the first year after delivery, but poverty, migration, extreme stress, exposure to violence (domestic, sexual and gender-based), emergency and conflict situations, natural disasters, and low social support generally increase risks for specific disorders.'
The Maurice Wohl Clinical Neuroscience Institute is one of Europe’s largest centres for interdisciplinary neuroscience excellence. The Institute brings together 250 clinicians and scientists from many disciplines to develop new therapies for neurological and psychiatric disorders through innovative research. The Institute is a key research facility supporting efforts to fast-track new treatments to patients affected by disorders such as Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, motor neurone disease, depression, schizophrenia, epilepsy and stroke, while strengthening King’s’ portfolio of internationally recognised brain research.
Kate visited the Institute's laboratory to receive a briefing on its work in perinatal research.
Kate met with senior academics conducting research in perinatal psychiatry.
A video from Richard Palmer.
The Duchess of Cambridge visits The Maurice Wohl Clinical Neuroscience Institute, at the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience, King’s College London pic.twitter.com/77SY5T7CFN— Richard Palmer (@RoyalReporter) January 24, 2018
People reports:
'Carmine Pariante, who specializes in biological psychiatry, told the royal mom, “Children born from mothers who were depressed during pregnancy were two to three times more likely to become depressed themselves when they become adolescents.”
Kate asked, “Is that purely just during pregnancy?” Pariante answered, “It’s purely during pregnancy. If mothers are depressed after the baby is born it doesn’t have this enduring effect.'
A lighthearted moment as a consultant told Kate avatars - computer representations of people - are used to help schizophrenic mothers. Kate replied. "Oh, okay, as in the movie Avatar?".
I believe this photo captured the moment when Kate asked about Avatar.
From there, it was a thirty minute drive to Kate's next engagement.
The Duchess visited the Mother and Baby Unit at the Bethlem Royal Hospital, part of South London Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust.
The unit specialises in the treatment of antenatal and postnatal mental health illnesses including postnatal depression and post-partum psychosis. The integrated inpatient clinical service allows mothers who face mental health challenges to be admitted with their babies, to minimise the disruption of the mother-infant relationship. The holistic treatment programme offered supports the mother in developing a relationship with her infant in order to reduce the impact of the mother’s illness on the child. All patients are supported by psychiatrists, psychologists, mental health nurses, nursery nurses, midwives and other professionals.
A beautiful posy for the Duchess.
Kate visited the unit's nursery area and met with several patients who are currently undergoing treatment. The Duchess also visited the Video Therapy room where she was shown videos of mother-baby interaction used as a therapeutic tool in the unit.
Kate talked about expectations on mothers to feel "super happy" after birth, adding: "One in four of us aren't."
The Mail Online reports:
'It was not clear if Kate was speaking from personal experience when she referred to the pressure of being a mother, but the royal said spending time with babies had made her feel ‘very broody’, and told patients she was ‘so glad’ they are getting the help they need.'
Hannah Furness reports "The Duchess of Cambridge hung out with Esther and baby Nehemiah this afternoon, in the sensory room."
The Duchess continues to bring back popular pieces from her maternity wardrobe. I know many of you will be happy to see the return of Kate's gorgeous Seraphine Natasha Coat. Kate first wore it in 2015 when she was expecting Charlotte for a day of engagements in Kensington.
The soft mist-blue garment features mother of pearl buttons, an understated collarless style, a sleek straight cut and stylish faux pockets. It is described as "an elegant addition to your wardrobe for before, during and after pregnancy".
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Underneath, Kate wore the Seraphine Florrie Dress. Kate debuted the dress in 2015 and wore it earlier this month for a visit to Reach Academy.
It is described as "Made in soft woven fabric, this elegant dress drapes beautifully to finish just above the knee, allowing plenty of movement and a flexible fit for before, during and after pregnancy. Featuring a feminine curved empire line to define your waist" It remains available on the Seraphine website.
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And wore her navy suede Jimmy Choo Georgia pumps.
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Kate accessorised with her sapphire and diamond drop earrings and wore her hair in a pretty ponytail.
I'm very much looking forward to seeing Kate's work in perinatal mental health in the coming months; I suspect a project in conjunction with Heads Together is possibly in the planning. When we see the royals particularly passionate and drawn to certain causes, one wonders if there's a personal connection. Kate herself has spoken about how difficult those first months with George were. Despite the fact it was such a happy time and they had a beautiful healthy baby boy, she really struggled. I imagine, during the years since, she has pondered on the largely silent difficult times so many new mothers experience. There's the additional guilt factor too; with mother's asking themselves, 'Why am I not happy?' Kate is fortunate enough to have a nanny and a very supportive husband and family and all the resources she could want. She's a good example of how there is no set criteria. I'm not a mother myself, but I know from family and friends, with the joy and happiness comes other feelings too. Feelings new mothers often bury. There's been no hint or statement suggesting Kate suffered with post-natal depression when George was born, but she did find it challenging in the early months and a huge adjustment. I'm sure she has thought about women feeling that way, who don't have a strong support system and resources around them. I'm very pleased she's shining a light on a problem that so many are left in the dark with.
Beautiful all these coats,it is a pity she doesn't wear them after the pregnancies........
ReplyDeleteI think a lot of DKB readers were hoping to see this coat again, myself included! It’s lovely. And hooray for the ponytail!
ReplyDeleteI think so! Its such a pretty coat. Certainly, I was hoping, and good thing too because it will barely fit soon. That last button is complaining. Happy to see the ponytail too. For me, her hair has been nondescript lately, so I like that has a specific style today. Should be an interesting day for her.
DeleteI love that she is publicly wearing a repeat from just a few weeks ago! I was hoping she would repeat this coat as well. Her hair is perfect for the weather. I think her continued interest in maternal and children's mental health is a perfect fit for the place she is in her life at this time.
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Another perfect recycling ! She choose her best clothes from previous pregnant time and this blue coat is one of the most beautiful.
ReplyDeleteVery very impressive visits today! Such an important topic that can often be swept under the rug. There is a huge deal of shame around it so bringing this issue into the light is amazing! Especially impactful actually since Kate is pregnant herself!
ReplyDeleteThis coat is pretty enough. Not a favourite of mine but I like that it's a maternity brand. So happy to see her jaunty ponytail though! She looks so great in that! And that dress underneath certainly is a favourite of hers! Makes sense. It's pretty but also seems rather comfortable. Nice to see her with a bag that's not her "go to".
What a nice week of engagements it has been and I look forward to the tour!
The tour should be interesting. It will be very diplomatic. I look forward to seeing them with their European counterparts. CP Victoria and Daniel are a great couple to emulate when William and Kate become the Prince and Princess of Wales!
DeleteLike her outfit. The pony tail is unfortunately too low imho.
ReplyDeleteI love a higher-placed ponytail also, Imke.😊
DeleteThat has always been a pet peeve with me about
Kate's ponytail. To me, it is always placed in such an "off" place on her head. Kind of school marmish and not properly thought out. A higher, perkier ponytail on her is a dream of mine. That, and no more middle part. :)
A higher ponytail may have looked too casual. Just a thought...
Deleterf.😊 I thought about that :), and so I looked at the profile in the photo of Kate with the mom in the grey t-shirt, baby in white. I think about an inch to an inch and a half higher would have been perfect for business. Not too casual, not school marmish. Then about an inch or so higher would be perfect for casual and sports. Very perky and cute. Seems knit pickish but those small differences count huh. :)
DeleteI yield to your measurements, SG. :-)))
DeleteYes yes yes yes, I loooove this coat I have been waiting for her to repeat this coat ever since September. I am soo happy, this just made my day even though it just started
ReplyDeleteI love her hair today, she looks so fresh and young!
ReplyDeleteHer eyebrows look a lot thinner today, lovely shape
ReplyDeleteOoh I was thinking about this engagement this morning and hoping she'd wear this coat - it's my favorite maternity coat of hers!! What a perfect engagement for her to do, and what a worthy cause.
ReplyDeleteI was pretty sure we would see this coat today too. I could't think of much else she could rewear at this point except maybe the JoJo Maman.
DeleteErika, I would to see the JoJo Mamen Bebe coat again. That & this Seraphine, are some of my favourite maternity looks from the Duchess.
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DeleteThe coats are my favorites too, KG. Hope to see the JJMB coat soon as well. Maybe in Sweden or Norway-
DeleteOh wow, this is world class by Kate. I am so impressed. Supporting other mothers, that is just wonderful.
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Yes yes yes! Two days in a row she smashed it out of the park. THIS is how you put your hair up! This coat is divine. Honestly, the difference in fit when it’s an actual maternity piece is incredible.
ReplyDeleteAnd amazing cause as well. Motherhood mental health support is really lacking. It’s really important to bring awareness to it.
Agree about the better fit of maternity pieces. They do accentuate the pregnancy but wearing regular clothing during pregnancy just makes one look big all over.
Deleteme too, Erika.😊 I am so happy to see pregnant Kate wearing clothes designed and fabricated to fit someone who is pregnant. So much better. :)
DeleteI really like the coat she wore today.
Notice how she seems to be playing with us by alternating a pink coat then blue coats, lol?
Kate has been recycling a lot lately. I wonder if this is an indication that this will be their last baby. It is very possible, but I would love the idea of them having a large brood - 4 like HM the Queen.
DeleteSuzette, I hope this baby isn’t her last. I’d love her to have four like the Queen, also :)
DeleteWith her HG, and with it happening with each pregnancy, I am not sure she will do it again. Plus her own family was 3:), Williams 2 so...? If they want more children I would love for them to adopt. Maybe she will go through another pregnancy but she is also getting into the age issue also.
DeleteI can't see them having 4. Four was more typical when the Queen was having kids. I kind of felt that W/K were in the 'we aren't trying but we are also not not trying so if it happens cool but if not, cool too'.
DeleteIt's great to see Kate continuing her mental health engagements in the expectant mothers arena after visiting the children yesterday. She's certainly covering all areas. Postpartum depression frightens me, as I've not had kids, yet, myself, but I know so many friends who had it. It's good to know there's research out there being done. And the Bethlem Hospital sounds fantastic, allowing mothers AND their babies to come in so that the maternal bond isn't disrupted while the mom receives treatment. I hope their research yields insightful information that will help mothers everywhere.
ReplyDeleteI love this coat. I'm not usually a fan of light blue, but this color is very soft and pretty. I don't like her hair today, though. I think it would've worked better had the ponytail been a little higher. Otherwise an excellent updo for a rainy day.
Becca not every woman has postpartum depression, so don't be frightened and don't let that make you hesitant to become a mother. The most important thing, if you are beyond sad after giving birth, is to speak out. Your doctor will know if you need medication. Others will be able to help and support you if they know you are sinking. Postpartum depression is caused by a hormonal imbalance and a change in brain chemistry. It is not being weak, incompetent, or a drama queen. So should this happen…speak out, ask for help and be kind and patient with yourself.
DeleteI remember many years ago when Brooke Shields spoke about experiencing postpartum depression and Tom Cruise lambasted her for it. He said it can all be fixed with vitamins. How ignorant is that? As Laura said, it is a hormonal imbalance and there should be no shame in taking medications for it.
DeleteI second Laura, Becca. Nothing to fear because there is help. I had PPD and got through it with support from groups, my therapist and my OBGYN. Enormously supportive. However, you need to speak up! I still remember describing some of my symptoms to a nurse who was following up with me just a few days after I gave birth and she thought that I had a stomach virus. (I was not eating or drinking.) It’s so important to advocate for yourself and say something when things are not what you expected. I’m on the other side and it’s so great. Things get better! So awesome to see Kate having this conversation.
DeleteDid Tom Cruise really say that? What an insensitive thing to say!
DeleteYes. There was quite a to do about it. He finally apologized if I remember correctly about that. :)
DeleteI had to google about Tom Cruise's remark. It seems to have been Scientology-prompted. They don't believe in medication. He said Brooke Shields was "irresponsible" for taking antidepressants for postpartum depression
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While I believe vitamins and exercise are wonderful psychological boosters, the mentality that anyone who takes medication is a failure is exactly why there's stigma in mental illness. It makes me angry that a man, who don't even experience our hormonal swings, said that!
Yes he did. There are tons of ways to help if one has PP depression. And frankly most women do not. So if one wants kids, then talk with your GYN about your concerns and have a plan:):).
DeleteThanks everyone! When the time comes (and if PPD is something I struggle with), it's good to know there's help out there. Especially with people like Kate bringing the spotlight onto such important issues.
DeleteI love when she wears a ponytail! Her belly has really popped this week.
ReplyDeletePenny, yes, she has blossomed. :) It does often happen that way:) Her "belly", chest, face, and even her legs are all looking a bit fuller, water, and baby:). She also in my opinion has that look one gets in the last few months. Here is to a smooth last few months.
DeleteI was thinking the same thing, Penny, that she suddenly does look more pregnant than before. Perhaps it's because she's now wearing clothes fit for maternity?
DeleteI've dealt with perinatal and postpartum depression. It's amazing in this day and age how there is still a stigma and people do not understand. I had so many people say, "oh you'll get better, you'll be excited soon" when all I wanted to do was disappear. I'm glad Kate is bringing this into light.
ReplyDeleteI think she looks lovely with her hair up. The coat is very flattering as well.
Lorrr from US
Hugs to you Lorrr. I understand what you mean. My sister in law dealt with it too and had to leave her baby son with his grandmother for a week for her to regroup herself. Until today, she lives with so much guilt and shame over it. We always tell her it was an internalizing process that made the great mother that she is today!
DeleteHugs from me also, Lorrr. :)
DeleteIt must be quite a life for her. I think she looks great and I love the low ponytail. I am wearing my hair like her's now! But the rest of my outfit does not compare. I'm glad to see she is using her influence for causes that bring people together on a concern they all have in common.
ReplyDeleteThis coat has a similar design to yesterday’s dress. I like the design, but I preferred the brighter blues Kate wore for the opening. Her ponytail is well done.
ReplyDeleteWe know perinatal mental health has long been a concern of Kate’s. It is good to see her following through with it in the context of her work with mothers and children. She knows from experience that new mothers even in the best of circumstances can be overwhelmed by their infants’ needs and their own plummeting hormones. I remember that it can be difficult to make the transition from ohers’ affectionate focus on a pregnant mother to their sole focus on the new baby. Mothers need support and concern and, as I had, the participation of a spouse or partner. But paternal leave was not available then, and therefore I had full responsibility every day. This can be difficult for new mothers. If they get into real trouble, they need treatment without blame.
Another super day for Kate. I am impressed that she's delving into neurosciences. Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, anxiety reaction. They are deep topics is conversation that can envelope itself with motherhood.
ReplyDeleteCatherine has the most difficult female position in the royal family; she is the future Prince Phillip. Whilst media attention and responsibilities of other royals will ebb and flow, Catherine will daily compliment Prince William as Prince Phillip has the Queen. Every action or non-action watched and critiqued, yet her role stabilizes the family, unconditionally supports the future King and advances non-political needs. It is a difficult balancing act and comparable to that of Nancy Reagan, Jackie Kennedy and Michelle Obama. No other female royal (British) has the pressure of making it all seem effortless and 100% spot on. We are getting a glimpse of the future Queen, and King. Bravo!
ReplyDeleteVery well said, anon! As I see new members marrying into the Royal family, I am reminded at how well Willam chose and happy with the way Kate has conducted herself. By seven years into the marriage, there have been some serious cracks in Diana and Sarah's marriages. I think we truly have a strong family with the Cambridges.
DeleteDue to the family's longevity, we are also looking at the future Princess of Wales which she could be for many years. I also think William chose brilliantly and look forward to her stepping into not only the spot as queen but as the princess of wales.
DeleteOne question to Charlotte - when Kate becomes Princess of Wales, will you rename your blog HRHPrincessKate :) ?
DeleteYes, a name change will be in order. I haven't even thought about the name yet :)
DeleteI like the sound of HRHPrincessKate :)
DeleteHow true...
DeleteThanks again, Charlotte for your excellent coverage. This cause is a good fit for Kate at this stage in her life. She seems engaged. There has been endless speculation in the past about why she keeps her coat on indoors. Today I am more puzzled than ever. The picture of her sitting on the couch with the coat really stretched over her bump could not have been comfortable. At least undo the buttons. Other than that, she looks lovely.
ReplyDeleteClothing does tend to become awkward by the third trimester. She could have taken off the coat, but I don't think unbuttoning it would have looked professional for someone in the royal family.
DeleteI think I am in the minority with the coat. It's fine, I like the color and neckline but the pockets have always annoyed me and I feel like interrupt the lines and how it hangs. But I adore Kate in ponytails so the overall look is a win for me.
ReplyDeleteI am glad that Kate is working with mothers as well as children. Maternal health can have a direct impact on child development. I really appreciate that she is learning more about the science of it. Feelings are a huge part of mental health but there is also a huge aspect of science behind it, especially for pre/post pregnancy regarding hormones and chemical changes. To ignore this or not address it, would be to ignore one of multiple foundational/starting points for mental health and family development.
How very true that while alot of mental health is emotional, many parts are chemical. It's a part that some people totally gloss over. So as you said, it's great that they are learning more about this and also shining a light on it!
DeleteRebecca, that is the hard part about mental health. It can be emotional, a trauma, brain wiring, brain injury, chemical, hormonal and usually a combination. If one is born with a slight chemical imbalance it starts to impact you daily interaction with the world and leads to emotional issues, etc. etc. I think for a huge number of mental health issues it is primarily a chemical.wiring.hormonal issue with an emotional overlay, but until you correct the biological issue the emotional help will never be enough for most people with mental health issues. Just my viewpoint of course, but it is what I have seen over the years with friends.
DeleteIt also goes the other way around...emotionally difficult experiences can alter your chemical balances as well!
DeleteI need to correct my statement above. When I was discussing the need for medications I was focused on mental illnesses such as schizophrenia. bipolar. severe depression. Those often need both the medication and the talk and behavior modification therapies.
DeleteMaggie so true.Thank you.
DeleteLove this coat, and very happy to see it again. Also love that quilted bag.
ReplyDeleteI only be that picture of her sitting on the sofa talking to the other moms. The way her feet are kind of kicked up is sweet :)
I just want to say how incredibly impressed I am with Kate. I tire so easily when people say that Kate likes to stand in the background or that she lets William run the show or that she just does what she's told. I privately (and publicly on DKB ;)) always thought that she has way more "power" or thoughts that she voices than many people thought and that she is the driving force behind many decisions made for this younger generation of royals. Ever since it came out that she was the force behind the whole campaign and now with her increasing work on extremely important issues, I am just so proud of her. SO many more people are talking about mental health and even people who I know have no real interest in the royals are noticing their efforts. I think that no matter what happens, they will have made an extremely positive impact with this campaign in so many people's lives and *that* is what matters.
ReplyDeleteAnd oh yea, she looks gorgeous! ;) Love that coat and her jaunty ponytail. I'm quite excited for the tour - especially if there is an evening dress! I just think she is SO gorgeous when pregnant - glowing and happy - and her clothes reflect that.
I think Kate is a quiet but stable rock, just like the Queen Mum. She's perfect for her destiny. As I always tell my daughter, in many cases, silent waters run deep.
DeleteDitto Katrina, well said. cc
DeleteAlex, Katrina.😊😊 William is reported to have hailed Kate as his "rock" in his toast at their wedding reception.
Deletesurfer girl, how romantic is that?! I really do think that they are so perfectly matched for each other.
Deletevery. :)
DeleteThe Duchess of absolutely glowing isn't she? I am a fan of this powder blue look, and she looks amazing with her hair up. I like the medical side of these visits. I was watching the video of Kate being showed brain scan when the mother sees a laughing baby as opposed to a sad scene. I find these so fascinating how emotions can physically transform you. Science is so relevant to treatment.
ReplyDeleteShe looked so relaxed with the new mums! She is actually sitting on the sofa with her legs crossed! How about that!
ReplyDeleteThis is the photo!
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I love how she is championing this cause. In my pregnancy i got severe anxiety and depression. Some days I wouldn’t shower. I could barely be touched by my husband and it nearly drove us apart. I was so worried that something would go wrong and it did, I got high blood pressure and delivered emergency c section at8 months. Was it going to happen anyways or did my anxiety cause it I don’t know, but it was Just pregnancy related. I felt that my doctor really didn’t know what to do with me. I went to a therapist and she helped a bit. It’s something people do not know what to do with and that image of the glowing mother is the prevailing image so your loved ones and even yourself do not know what to do with you. I felt broken. So even though it not a taboo subject, people just don’t know about it, just post partum depression which thankfully I was spared from. Kudos to Kate!!! (Btw she looks gorgeous!)
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting a bit of how it is in your situation. I think that if Kate can bring the situation out of hiding and into conversation, it is a start. Nothing worse than feeling depressed and then people don't know what to do with you. It must be even more difficult when pregnant or trying to care for a newborn when you have nothing to give.
DeleteThank you!!! Son is now a year and a half and things are so much better. But it was so hard not going to lie. I feel like it stole something from me, I couldn’t enjoy being pregnant. And I didn’t want to medicate while pregnant. But it is isolating when people just don’t want to interact with you and just want you to snap out of it and I couldn’t. But for me I felt amazing after giving birth and then I could take proper medication. It was night and day. Women need to be not afraid to ask for help and partners who are frustrated shouldn’t be afraid either. I’m lucky it was for a short time and did not affect my interaction with my kid.
DeleteI cannot imagine how hard it must be dealing with these issues in connection to a time that "is supposed to" be so happy and exciting. I know what it's like to feel guilty or broken because of anxiety, and I cannot imagine the addition of the standard parent guilt on top of that and the expectation to be the happiest you've been in your life. I'm so glad these issues are now starting to be understood and talked about!
Delete❤️ Lots of courageous sharing going on here today AND lots of empathy and hugs. Kate would be so happy about the conversations she's started. :)
DeleteHugs to you, 21:44. :)
This is a perfect engagement for Kate while she is pregnant! We know how horrible she suffers from HG, but the psychological aspects of pregnancy and motherhood are often overlooked. This subject has some weight and I am glad she is doing it. What treatment is there for pregnant women who already deal with existing behavioral disorders? I would love to see her dig deeper into this important subject in the future. Maybe even explore addiction during pregnancy and how women and charities help in this regard.
ReplyDeleteI have a feeling that once she recovers from HG, Kate feels great during pregnancy. The second trimester can be a time of special well being, as it was for me. A doctor once said that my hormone balance was at its best then. I did not suffer postpartum depression, but the change in hormones thinned my hair and made me less even tempered than during pregnancy. I suffered exaggerated premenstrual stress for a month or so, although I breastfed happily. There are all sorts of variations! For those who have not been pregnant, it is necessary to work with one's own chemistry and personality. Pregnancy is fascinating; so are babies that cause so much work. Now I have a group of adult children of whom I am inordinately proud and fond, and a few grandchildren who are immensely fascinating. For me, having a family is the best of life and a great motivation. But I do remember those hormone changes!
DeleteWhat a wonderful post! I had the extreme "morning" sickness for 9 months followed by several more months of depression, but 30 years ago depression was largely ignored.
ReplyDeleteI am so happy Kate is bringing it to light and looking so nice while doing so. I like when she wears her hair back - I often feel her hair, although it is very pretty hair, distracts from the mission.
I loved everything about today - the subjects, the hair, the coat, the dress - everything was perfect.
Thank you Charlotte for the great post and I still think the little Princess is named after you.
I also love to see Kate's hair tied back like this every once in a while. She has a beautiful face and she is ageing really gracefully.
DeleteI am very fortunate that my pregnancies have gone really well. But my mother suffered a great deal when she was pregnant with my little sister. She developed anxiety that did not go away. It was taboo back then to put your personal needs above your children. Her marriage to my father ended in divorce after that.
18:22.🙁 Belated hugs to you.❤️ Thank you so much for sharing. :)
ReplyDeleteOh my, You this is so cute - wonderful cause. Loved the outfit and the pony tale! XOXOXOXOXO
ReplyDeleteI had terrible postpartum depression after my youngest was born. My husband knew I was struggling a bit and feeling blue, but no one knows how bad it got. I went to my doctor at one month post partum, but he was so concerned about the medication getting into the tiny amount of breastmilk I pumped (baby couldn’t nurse), that he didn’t prescribe anything. He told me to go to counseling, but with a newborn and a special needs child, i couldn’t figure out the time for it. We had multiple therapy appointments for the oldest, and my youngest had silent reflux and cried all the time so I couldn’t leave her with a babysitter. I suffered in silence.
ReplyDeleteI had constant thoughts of hurting myself until I finally cut my arms (not wrists) with a razor one day to see if it would help ease my inner pain. It didn’t work. I thought about suicide many times. There were times that I’d be rocking my screaming baby and just wanted to throw her against the wall just to make her stop crying. I was afraid of myself and my feelings when I thought those things. But the terrible thoughts continued, and I lived in fear that I would be unable to handle it all one day. When it got that bad, I knew I should seek help, but I was afraid they would take my kids away so I never went back to a doctor. I was so ashamed and afraid of losing my family.
I’ve never told anyone these things. I don’t really know why I’m posting here except to say I’m so glad Kate is addressing this issue. It can go far, far beyond the “baby blues”. And I hope that if anyone reads this who is also struggling, that they don’t suffer silently like i did. It was a huge mistake, and I missed out on a lot of joyful times because of it. My hormones eventually evened out, and I don’t have any of those thoughts or feelings anymore. I wish I had sought help to get to this place much sooner.
I just want to applaud the ladies who shared their experiences with postpartum depression today. There could be someone reading who will take heart from your stories.
DeleteAnon for today, thank you for sharing your story & being so honest. I’m so sorry you went through such an awful time with PPD & wasn’t able to get help sooner. I am not a mother yet, but your story has greatly encouraged me to seek help if I ever end up needing it. Thank you again, for your honesty.
DeleteAmen. ❤️
DeleteMe too Charlotte! I might not comment on each and every comment but everyone sharing are so brave and I actually get happy. Not because of the suffering ofc! But of the unity that can come from sharing with eachother.
DeleteAnon for today: I'm glad you shared! I cannot imagine the guilt you feel for something that you didn't have control over. I just want to tell you that I don't judge you, not at all! You are brave and immensely strong for having gone through that! Also, don't feel guilty for not seeking help earlier. While outside stigma is a part of people not seeking help, a big symptom of depression and anxiety is inability to take action. This is another reason why people often take way too long to seek help, since an inability to seek help is often a part of the symptoms.
Bless you and thank you for sharing today. You don’t know who you may have helped.
Delete❤️ big hugs to you, 21:27. What you shared brought tears to my eyes. So sorry you had to go through that, keeping it all inside and wondering what was going on.
DeleteI have studied Queen Victoria who had 9 children in a row, one pretty much right after the other.
What is coming to light is that she almost certainly suffered often from post postpartum depression. No one then understood either and people who would read her journals that included things about her feelings about and during pregnancy and after, shocked many. They didn't understand what she was experiencing. She said she thought all babies look like frogs, etc. Very scandalous thing to say. That she became reclusive after Albert died might be due to her years of postpartum depression and then the unexpected death of her mainstay, Albert.
Thankfully, in the Masterpiece Theatre presentation of "Victoria", they address that. A small step but a step nonetheless. It is history starting to right itself.
Again, big hugs to you. So thankful you made it through it. And thank you for your courage in sharing. ❤️
That is so sad to hear!!! I am glad you are better but doctors should know that Zoloft is compatible with breastfeeding. Helped me out tremendously. I am only posting that so women can know that is an option. It worked wonders for me. I’m sorry your time after birth was so hard on you.
DeleteAnon for today, I am so sorry that you had such a tough time and glad that things are better for you. Stay strong!
DeleteAnon Today - what a courageous honest account of your PPD- it makes me want to just reach out and give you a very big hug. I had very light baby blues after my first child and was all the way around the world from my family and friends since my hubby was in the Navy. He was very supportive and helped a lot. I do remember one night when she wouldn’t go to sleep and I was exhausted - I tucked her up in her crib and laid in my bed and just screamed for her to go to sleep. My husband was on duty and not there to help. She quieted down after that and when I checked on her she was asleep. The guilt was awful!! Screaming at an infant!! Thankfully the “blues” didn’t last long and my husband was great. But I get how you felt and am so sorry that you missed out on the early joys of motherhood.
DeleteI am so very happy and proud of Kate for bringing light to this subject. I really do think she experienced this first hand after George was born. Your hormones are just all over the place.
I think she looked amazing today. I loved her outfit and think she looks healthy, happy and very engaged. Go Kate!!!
What an awful time for you, Anon for Today. I can't imagine, but it's a real testament to what involvement in a cause can do to help people, though. I'm glad you shared your story, and as others have said who knows who you helped today. I'm very glad you are now in a good place.
DeleteI've been deeply touched by the comments here. So often, when dealing with mental issues, one feels alone, the only person feeling that way when others are living the perfect life, and of course, the fear of consequences expressed in Anon's comments. It is hard enough to find the strength to seek help - it is also important that there be informed, understanding, help available - a problem where resources are seriously strained.
DeleteSo Kate's visit is extremely important as is the sharing here - Charlotte's last paragraph was brilliantly written.
God bless you and your family, Anon. You had the inner strength all along. Thank you for sharing such a real and helpful story.
DeleteI love the support we give to each other on this blog. Rhonda, I understand your guilt about screaming at your baby. I recall, that three weeks after giving birth to my first child, I was putting the trash out, as the next day was garbage day. I had a fleeting thought, that it would be so easy to put the baby in a trash bag and put him on the curb. Of course, it was just a thought and I felt overwhelmingly guilty. But time moved on, things got easier and today I can smile about this episode. I had three challenging pregnancies, three C-sections and PPD with all my children. But for anyone out there who is not yet a parent, don't be discouraged. There is medical help today…if you ask for it. The end result is you have wonderful children to raise and take pride in. Pregnancy and PPD are only blips on the years of happiness ahead.
DeleteAnon for Today, I am with you. When my first child (now 9 year old) was born, I also had terrible postpartum depression. I didn't realize it at the time, just thought I was a terrible failure as a mom and a generally worthless human being. I was also breast feeding and was worried about taking medicine. I finally got help after breastfeeding was over and when my husband and my mom made it clear that I was spiraling out of control. I really thought for a while that my child would be better off without me, that I was such a bad mom that I was hurting her. Those thoughts were lies, and I know it now. If they ever try to creep back in, I run straight to the doctor. When those hormones drop and change after the baby is born, it's like a tidal wave. It feels impossible to swim through. Medicine, therapy, medical help is a literal lifeline. So thankful I made it through that dark time.
DeleteCan't imagine what you must've felt and struggled with, Anon for Today. So sorry you had to go through that. Thank you for being brave and sharing; and thanks to everyone that have shared their stories, as Charlotte said.
DeleteThank you all for the kind words and encouragement. I wasn’t sure if I should share my experience on a blog like this, but I felt like it would be ok given that HRH is highlighting this cause.
DeleteIt was very frightening to be afraid of my own mind and thoughts. To the poster who admitted to screaming at her own baby, yes I did that as well at times with both kids when I was alone and overwhelmed. So much guilt when i did that. I’m thankful that my kids were too little to remember that, and they think of me as loving and kind instead of the person I was sometimes. I hope no one makes the mistakes I did, and I’m sure one day I will be honest with my daughter so she doesn’t suffer as well.
Thankfully things have been good, and I enjoy my kids and being their mom! I take so much joy in their laughter and silly things they say.
I wondered if Kate has been a little bit vague about her postpartum experience with George because she doesn’t want speculation after subsequent births. Maybe once she is done having kids she will share more intimate details. Then again, I would not blame her if she chooses to keep that private.
I'm noticing a new level of confidence with our Duchess. Her public speaking is improving and she seems much more comfortable with her engagements. Could it be her new secretary?
ReplyDeleteI do wonder if those first early months with George were a struggle. I think after the birth of Charlotte she gave herself more time to adjust and when she came back to public duties looked happier and healthier than she did with George.
I think George was a very difficult baby and Charlotte was the complete opposite. I do not know if it was postpartum depression per se, but Kate did mention that it felt isolating. I think she and William were very exhausted during George's early months for sure.
DeleteAlso don’t forget that she was determined to manage without help with George. If I remember right it was about 3 (even 4) months before William asked his old nanny to come and help and after that they got Maria Theresa.
DeleteI think having Nanny MT around when Charlotte was born made a huge difference. An extra pair of hands is worth their weight in gold.
I agree with that - I think the pressure on her was so intense - here she is, married to the future King, healthy baby boy, the world watching - and she wasn't happy. I suffered severe postpartum anxiety (less discussed than PPD, but equally debilitating) and on top of that, extreme guilt that I wasn't thrilled and happy every moment like "everyone" said I was supposed to be. It's HARD becoming a new mother, and I'd imagine it's even harder for someone in Kate's position.
DeleteIt will be interesting to see what this new baby will be like. I wonder if George will end up with another sister like Kate's brother. I do think she will be due in early April.
DeleteSierra, I agree 100% with you! I noticed that at the last mental health appearance. She has found her niche and it's fun to see her blossom in it. Kudos to Kate!
DeleteKate’s looking really well! It’s great to see her out & about these last few days. I love the ponytail & this is one of my favourite maternity coats that she owns. I’m waiting to see the coat that she wore to the Downton Abbey set; that was another lovely coat.
ReplyDeleteI’m impressed that Kate is supporting research in peri-natal psychiatry & highlighting the support that mothers can receive while suffering from PPD. I wonder if she did suffer from the condition herself after George was born, as she alluded to that period being a difficult time. You can see Kate’s empathy & warmth during her visit with the mothers & their babies. She engages well with people & makes them feel at ease.
I love how 2018 has started. I do think she looks tired in the very first photo but she becomes much brighter and energized throughout the day. She clearly is 100% into what she is doing and that’s great to see.
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Surely it's the unfortunate pink umbrella! Kate looked much happier with the black or navy one.
DeleteI believe my mother would say Kate is expecting another son. But I have never been really good at interpreting her rules, so who knows! In any case, perhaps Kate is only about two and a half months from her due date. She looks heavily pregnant now.
I really hope it’s a girl. I feel like we’ve seen so many brotherly bonds in the RF that it would be nice to see a public bond between two sisters since it’s been so long.
DeleteLove the outfit head to toe! I love that she wore her hair up and that coat is my favorite coat of hers that she has worn while pregnant!
ReplyDeleteExcellent choice for todays outing. The Seraphine coat is very feminine + loving Kates hair in a pony tail. Glad that Kate is changing her clutch bags frequently now as i thought the black suede mulberry clutch was glued to her hand!! Noticed the very neat + tidy eyebrows, very nice + shaped to perfection. Bravo!
ReplyDeleteAfter she is done having babies, she likely won’t get to wear the maternity clothes again... such gorgeous pieces, would it be appropriate to donate them to some of berbpatronages to auction off or give to expectant mothers benefiting from the charities? I loved her coat today.
ReplyDeleteDiana has auctioned some of her famous gowns, but royals very rarely just randomly donate their used clothes to charity. I imagine Kate's maternity clothes might go to family members instead. Looking at you, Pippa! They're very close and have shared clothes in the past.
DeleteLove that she wore her hair in a ponytail - it was a day event that was very casual and she was not way over dressed. I like the coat, but think when she was seated, she should have taken off her coat - the top of the coat pulls at the buttons when seated. I am not a fan of this dress like many are. It looks as my mom used to say, Dutchy', and that was not a good reflection on dresses from my mom. I'm more a fan of her dresses when they are not print. This one however, looks comfy to wear while pregnant and I certainly understand that being a big part of where she is in her expanding belly. As always, she looks good in blues.
ReplyDeleteI love seeing Kate focus on mental health surrounding pregnancy. It's such an important topic for all of us to know about. We never know when we'll need to help a new mom. My sister called me a few months after she had her son, and she was crying and told me she was afraid she was going to hurt him. I lived hundreds of miles away from her, but I was able to call my brother-in-law at work and have him go home immediately, and I was able to call one of her friends to be with her until my BIL arrived. My sister was able to get in to see the doctor and get on the medications she needed, and all is well now. I'm so glad she felt comfortable to reach out to me, since as many of you have said, PPD often masks our ability to seek help.
ReplyDeleteThe last paragraph of this post got me thinking. It made me wonder if Kate had a small case of PPD after George was born, even though nothing has ever been said about that. Just having HG is itself a risk factor for an increased chance of getting PPD. I've shared before, but I had a severe case of HG, such that I couldn't keep any food/drink down until 34 weeks along in my pregnancy. I'm still amazed that I did not develop PPD. I credit that mainly to the amazing support network my church and family provided for me post-partum.
I would think with the HeadsTogether initiative and the whole bit about starting a conversation that they pushed this fall that it would be hypocritical for her to not talk about PPD if she had it. Granted it is a difficult conversation but that is the whole point, isn't it.
DeleteBTW I had terrible PPD after the birth of my third child. I never told anyone or got any help. Just muddled through.
I see your point Kelly, but I must say I wholeheartedly disagree! NOONE, and I mean noone, owes anyone to speak up publicly. Those who do, that's great! But I don't think ANYONE should feel pressured to open up. What heads together are advocating is not suffering in silence. They are not saying that everyone has to become and advocate or talk in public. They want people to turn to a professional, write an anonomous blog, talk to friends and family, have an open workenviroment. They are NOT saying that people need to stand on a pedistal and share their inner struggles. People that do that help alot, but I could never feel "owed" that someone HAS to speak out because of what they might have gone through.
DeleteI am sorry to hear what you've suffered through, especially alone! I hope you are feeling better nowadays!
Kate is looking more and more like a pro. William, and the rest of the Firm, should be proud and thankful. :-)
ReplyDeleteShe certainly is! People who marry into the royal family often have hiccups and challenges during their first years. Kate has had only very, very minor ones, if any at all. I'm sure the Queen and the royal family are very happy.
DeleteI hope they are, Samantha. :-)
DeleteWonderful work that the Duchess of Cambridge is doing in this area, simply wonderful. I enjoyed reading all the facts and professional comments posted. Thanks, Charlotte.
ReplyDeleteI also wanted to add my admiration to everyone for sharing their stories. I imagine this is exactly one of the goals of the heads together campaign. It’s amazing what you learn when you share, and how you realize you aren’t alone in your experiences.
ReplyDeleteHmm i love the duchess really focussing on mental health she really smashing these day and yestready hmm i love the she recycling these two consective days i really love the talk every single converastion she done
ReplyDeleteWhat's striking about this post, is the bravery of those who have told their story. I don't know if we're all women on here (kudos to any men) but it shows how quickly we rally around each other with words of praise and comfort. And if Kate has done anything, she has allowed that conversation to take place, and re-assure those that have had depression and those who are still struggling, that it's no longer a taboo subject, and that there is love support and a shoulder to cry on, even with complete strangers, like our 'little blog family' on here :-).
ReplyDeleteI'd be surprised if Kate gets to April ! As they used to say 'she's carrying low', usually an indication that baby is not that far off ! It might be a March baby.
Ou, if carring low is such an important criteria, I wonder if it's a good idea to go on a tour at this stage...
DeleteI assume the doctors would interfere if it would be risky, wouldn't they?
I had post partum depression after all three of my kids were born. It was worst the first time because I had no idea. I felt like such a failure because I just wasn't as happy as everyone felt I should be. So I trudged on and became increasingly worse off.
ReplyDeleteOne afternoon my OBGYN, Whose wife was a friend of my mum's, showed up at my parents house where I was visiting. It had become so bad and so obvious that my mum called and he decided to make a house call. He started me on meds and slowly things improved. My subsequent experiences were much easier because I knew what to expect and watch for.
This is such an important area and one so relevant to where Kate is at in her life right now. I sincerely hope that she continues to highlight these causes and areas!
Thank you for sharing, Courtney! So sorry you had to deal with it. I agree that bringing these topics to life is so important, both for healing for those that have experienced it and for those in the future who may go through it.
DeleteYou have a wonderfully caring OBGYN. He's a keeper! I am glad you've overcome the obstacles and managed to have three children. More power to you!
DeleteThe thing that 'kills' me about pregnancy depression is the lack of treatment or even acknowledgement by so many people, including those the in the medical profession!! In the last 20'ish years, it's become pretty well known that 1-pregnancy changes your hormones. It affects hair and nail growth, skin, weight, plus that whole having a second person inside of you and 2-chemical imbalances can result in depression and anxiety. But so many people seem clueless that the two are connected!! And, just like with non-preg people, those effects can range from 'I'm sad and lethargic' to self harm. It just kills me that the very ones we trust and who should be listening, ignore so often. I know so many women keep it quiet out of doubt, shame, guilt, but still. Say what you will about the flaws of social media, but that is one thing I have seen that could be helpful. Women posting/chatting/sharing and realizing they are not alone and it is normal and there is help available. I hope that in the coming months/years, under Heads Together, a light can be shown on this and that real support and treatment can become widely available.
ReplyDeleteI also wonder if Kate has some experience with PPD. That is a very fine line to walk-sharing that very personal piece of yourself but not sharing too much. Plus, she's still very much in the midst of it and may not have clear perspective.
I think if you seek help from the right people, you will get it. Social media is helpful sometimes, but as Courtney from NYC has shared, medical professionals can also make a world of difference when they diagnose and treat correctly. I think it's less recognised in third world countries, sadly.
DeleteSamantha, you are correct in saying that PPD is likely less recognized in developing countries…but then most medical conditions are not identified when there are no hospitals, clinics, or doctors nearby. I have spent extensive time in Kenya and Uganda. While those people do not have competent medical services at hand, what they do have is a great sense of community. In the villages women look after other women. Sometimes three or four generations live in one house. So there is more support for a new mother. Other women help a new mother care for her children. Also, since unemployment is so high, many new mothers are not rushing back to a job, because they don't have a job. Developing countries can teach us something about support systems.
DeleteSamantha, I would disagree that if you seek help you would get it. There have been experiences shared here on this post where people sought help and either 'kind of got it', were misdiagnosed, or some other factor was deemed more important. For sure, help is more readily available now, but there are still so many stories of women who seek help and get no assistance because those in the medical field are either ill equipped to assist or dismiss the concerns.
DeleteKate's bump is adorable. It is more pronounced this time around for the month she is supposed to be in. I wonder if she is further along or just "stretched" from having two. Either way, she is adorable.
ReplyDeleteShe looks a bit larger this time and will look quite heavy on their Scandinavian tour. She looks beautiful, I think. April can't come soon enough. I'm really excited to see this third baby. It never gets old for me.
DeleteI think both Kate and William had a tough time when George was a newborn. I remember reading that he was constantly hungry, didn't want to sleep, and cried a lot. William has even mentioned that letting the faucet run at the kitchen sink was one of the few things that could calm George when he was a baby. George seemed to be harder to console and soothe, which may have been one of the reasons William asked his former nanny to help them when George was 3-4 months old. I know that both of them wanted to care for him without help, but bringing in some help seemed to make a difference for the family unit as a whole. And I think Carol and Michael Middleton have also been very supportive and a safe place for William and Kate to turn to. It is certainly possible that Kate endured post-partum depression for a while after George's birth, but whether or not she chooses to speak from any personal experience is up to her. She certainly doesn't have to. I applaud and am grateful for her passion and desire to learn about PPD and maternal mental health challenges. She has such empathy and compassion for others. I am proud of William, Kate, and Harry for supporting mental health initiatives and shedding light on such a difficult challenge. I have lived with severe depression for 31 years, and I'm nearly 36 years old. It is a very hard journey for sure and one that is misunderstood by so many, because of stigma and a lack of awareness and understanding of mental illness.
ReplyDeleteI am sure PPD, as with depression, intensifies with lack of support. While I don't think Kate had PPD after George, I'm sure the fantastic support her family gave positively impacted her adjustment as a new mother. Some babies are just harder than others. My second son was also extremely difficult - he was double, maybe triple, the work of my eldest.
DeleteBig hugs to all of you who bravely shared your post partum experiences. ❤️
ReplyDeleteSo much sharing. So much solace given. Hopefully even lots more who haven’t commented will receive comfort and encouragement. And those who have yet to have children have gained wisdom. :)
I agree that Kate most likely experienced PPD. She said when she, William and Harry were speaking seated around the picnic table that it was a big learning curve for her when she nonchalantly decided that she and George would join William in Wales.
Then she has commented that she felt isolated and that William had said he suddenly realized that he knew nothing about parenting.
I found this all very timely over here across the pond. We are only just now watching "Victoria" on Masterpiece Theater/PBS. This Sunday's episode disclosed that Victoria suffered some form of this after the birth of her 2nd Baby/1st son (The Prince of Wales/Future King Edward VII). I found it very relatable, as I had 4 children, but only once went through a dose of it with the birth of my 2nd Child/1st Son too. I know this might sound odd, but I always looooved being pregnant! :) For me it was always just such a Magical Time! Even quite joyful! So after every birth there was a bit of a let down & then things evened out within a week or 2. However with my 2nd, I felt no attachment whatsoever. I was so connected to my first & so I really noticed the void of emotion & connection. I never told anyone. He was quite ill, so I was concerned & took good care of him & got a kick out of how my daughter fussed over him, but it wasn't until around 3mos that I had a break through. I remember the exact moment it happened, even now 30+ years later. Then things all changed & were fine. Oddly I never told my husband, I felt so ashamed like what was wrong with me? I think because there was so much going on with my little son's health in those first 3mos that I was also so busy tending to him, that I was also just waiting to see what was going to happen to him & if my detachment was somehow related to the distress he was in. The birth was also very difficult & he was in the NICU for weeks. So when the storyline came up, while we were watching "Victoria" I mentioned it & my husband was shocked & asked why I never told him, so I wouldn't have had to go through it alone & he could have assured & supported me? It's odd the way we process things, when we feel ashamed that we are not living up to some standard set up by ourselves or others. I was worried I would experience it again with the births of my future children (all sons) but I never did. Our bodies & minds & mental health are amazing things. I'm so glad Kate has chosen to focus on this issue within her scope of focusing on Mental Health.
ReplyDelete"Victoria" was on PBS a year ago. They are running it again.
DeleteYes for us in the states this is season 2
Delete& I know the seasons of both "Victoria" & "Poldark" both air first in the UK months before we get them over here. Just like Downton Abbey did. So we are watching the season that aired in the UK this fall.
Delete19:54. The new second season has started.👑 Prior to airing the new programs they usually show a previous episode or two prior to that. However many seasons they have, that series is definitely going to be a purchased box set for me.
DeleteSG :) I have the book by Daisy Miller & meant to read it, but I haven't as yet. I think it's because I don't know where she's going to go with how she tells their famous story & I think I want to be surprised. :) I'm a Huge V&A Buff so this series is just oodles of fun for me.! :) I'm wondering how long it will go? No other series as yet has gone up to & past Albert's death. They have either covered the courtship & early years, or gone all the way up till his death, or started after his death. I'd love for this series to cover the bridging of her life with Albert & After Albert, even if it doesn't go into old age. Just my thoughts :)
DeleteBecca.😊 I hope they cover her entire life.
DeleteShe was still a little controversial even in her latter years. And she was functioning even then as the “Grandmother of Europe”. So those dynamics are of great importance in my opinion.
I hope they give the full picture of a female monarch who was monarch for decades. I know that William has commented more than once that he is in awe of how his grandmother has fared as Queen so successfully in a “man’s world”. Victoria did the same although she had considerably more legal clout at that time apparently. So I truly hope they portray the full story.
Oh SG that would be Devine! A Dream Come True for buffs like us! :) There's just so much, between her relationships with Vicki & the rest of her daughters & Grand daughters, not to mention Bertie & Alexandra, & the other boys. To see her relationships with them all lifted off the pages of the history books & brought to life would be Beyond Amazing! Of course there's the time with John Brown & Abdhul & his family at the end. So much, but Wow! It would be Amaaaazing! Here's Hoping! :) xo
Deleteps. I'd love to see them bring out her relationship with her grandson The Kaiser & how awfully he treated poor loving Vicki! :( Then there are all the little cousins, especially George & Nicki (King George V & Tsar Nicolas/cousins via their Mothers & the Tsarina, Victoria's Great Grand daughter. So much, So much! So we shall see? Meanwhile I'm really enjoying what I feel is the best depiction of her life thus far! :) xo
me too, Becca.😊
DeleteI wanted to clarify, in case anyone reading here might be experiencing or knows someone who's experiencing what I did. The thing was that I didn't feel depressed or stop taking care of myself. Thus why no one knew I was so lost. I mean Who doesn't love their Baby? But I didn't! I felt nothing! I think because there was so much to do to care for him, due to his health issues, that I looked like the doting Mom. However, inside I literally felt like I was taking care of someone else's child. That he wasn't mine. Oddly enough, other than the work needed due to his health, he was an exceedingly easy baby. With our first on the other hand, it was non stop round the clock crying & fussing etc. Oddly enough while I was exhausted then etc. I still had just marveled at the whole experience of being a new Mom & loved her to bits. So in contrast, here was this 2nd Baby that had done nothing wrong, was the most docile infant...... but was just a complete stranger to me? In looking back, I almost think that his being so sick might have helped me to eventually break through it. Because I had to tend & care for him so much, there was forced human nurturing contact between me & my Baby. I felt like a robot, but I was forced to hold & tend to him. Then like I said, after the 3mos mark, there was a day when the dam broke. I remember I was holding him & this flood of love just washed over me for him & my tears just poured down my face. Again, no one knew any of this. I'm just so blessed that it all worked out. So if anyone else out there has had or is having that empty, void, robotic detached experience, it's real & your are not alone! xoxo
ReplyDelete❤️ Thanks for sharing, Becca. Big hug to you. :)
ReplyDelete(Again, thank you all who have bravely shared. Big hugs to you all. For real. :) )
Becca, I am so thankful that they are showcasing that on “Victoria” as you said. I still think that her upbringing, being isolated in Kensington Palace all those years, coupled by who knows how many bouts of PPD, and then the death of Albert all contributed to her wearing black all those many years and being reclusive at Windsor Castle. And she had the added burden of how risky giving birth was in those days, coupled with the fact that she had only become Queen because her predecessor had died giving birth. Victoria was a brave woman.
In those days there were many women and babies who died during childbirth and a substantial amount of those deaths were due to the fact that the attendant doctors had not yet discovered the practice of simply washing their hands after seeing each patient when they made their general rounds or had examined other patients. After that discovery, the mortality rates decreased very significantly. Just like the concept of quarantining helped as it was discovered at about that same time. (I say discovered although that practice was given in the Old Testament as was not leaving food and water exposed in the presence of an ill person.)
Again, thank you WHK for “starting the conversations”.
Stigmas are being ⚡️zapped⚡️. HalleluYah :)
On another note. Just think how much history is inherent in Kensington Palace and Windsor Castle.
I wonder if Kate knows what apartments at Kensington Palace Queen Victoria grew up in? Does Meghan know? I wonder if they ever think of those things as they live there now.
Also I wonder if Meghan has pondered the immense history of her wedding venue? Did Kate with Westminster Abbey? Hopefully so, as they both have now entered the pages of history of those places.
Surreal. :)
Thx SG & I Totally get what you were sharing on all levels! Truly Living History! Also, you raise really great points about Victoria! :)
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DeleteI am a longtime reader/admirer and have never commented, but today's focus made me think to do so. It is super important to see postnatal health concerns brought out, including by beautiful, wealthy, happy people like HRH. I also hope readers educate themselves on post partum anxiety, which I experienced. Thoughts racing, feeling constantly geared up, unable to rest or relax, over vigilant, stressed.... It's worth thinking about.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your constant coverage!
Does anyone know if George and Charlotte are going on the tour with them? I heard they weren't, but I kind of hope they are.
ReplyDeleteHello Amy,
DeleteNo, they are both at school/nursery and will be staying in London.
An important article to read on postpartum depression...this article affirms the necessity for everyone to understand the realities and shatter the stigma of maternal mental health challenges, and all mental illnesses in general.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.upworthy.com/amp/a-mom-told-her-ob-she-might-have-postpartum-depression-then-they-called-the-cops?__twitter_impression=true